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anon 10/12/2021 5:43 PM

How can I tell if emotional bleedover isn't really just me?

There's not a simple "is this me or my tulpa?" test for anything, much less emotional bleed unfortunately. In general, head pressures and emotional bleed have so many other potential causes it's unlikely your tulpa is the source, but it's worth writing down when you experience it. In the future, you and your tulpa can review how important you both believe those experiences were. In the meantime, I wouldn't worry too much if something was your tulpa or not. Separation comes with time, and part of what promotes septation is allowing your tulpa the chance to think at all- even though their thoughts are rarely original from the start.

Actually I think that one is remarkably straight-forward. You seem to fundamentally misunderstand what "You" are. Does an emotional response match your perspective? If no, in terms of was it your personality, it wasn't. It can be any number of things including the unconscious giving you hypnotically suggested output, impulsive thought, or a thoughtform - But it's not you, or you'd know it was you. That's what you are, the knowledge and sense of that perspective. (edited)

12:13 AM

But let's say you're a cynic and reject that you are seperate from the unconscious. Then yes, you are always and irretrievably the one responsible. Because your brain is responsible.

First, new tulpamancers are typically figuring out what "I" vs. "them" means, and I don't like to enforce any particular definition for "I". What I think "I" means may come across as too radical or too strict compared to someone else's. Second, I believe the brain is responsible for creating confusion on who's feeling what, but I don't like to blame just the brain because I don't like to think of the brain as its own person. I see the brain as a thing that contains personalities- I own my thoughts, and Gray is influenced by my thoughts. It is common to blame the brain for repetitive behaviors and impulsive replies (like working a job), and I think that's reasonable, but beyond that I think it's a bad idea to blame any complex thoughts or opinions on your brain. In my eyes, emotional bleed is either an impulsive reaction to something that stems from someone's experiences or it's unprocessed information one of us now has to deal with. For example, if I couldn't figure out why I was angry about something, I may have to do more digging to remember the time I was upset. For unprocessed emotion, Gray may have to process a situation I feel too stressed to think about before I warm up to thinking about it myself. (edited)

The more I read every response the more confused I am then if I never asked but at least it's all here for other people with the same question and maybe they'll get something out of it as it all seems logical, either way thanks so much I get what I can get for now

One of the downsides to seeing different viewpoints is sometimes you get conflicting information and things are no longer easy or straightforward. It's helpful to know where we come from- personally I believe in sentience from the start, I think our thoughts can belong to individual headmates, and we have had experiences where it felt like the brain was thinking our thoughts automatically. The other problem is you may come across more advanced content that's confusing only because you haven't had first hand experience with it yet. The previous post I wrote was more intended for Zen and others rather than you because I disagreed with him and I wanted to argue. If something is confusing, feel free to ask questions and we can try to break it down. If you're completely lost, let us know like you did and we can try to explain it in a different way. The most important take away is Zen and I have two different approaches to the same question and it may be helpful to try each approach individually. My approach is you won't know for sure until you already know how to tell apart your tulpa from yourself, you don't have enough information to answer your own question. I can't tell you a useful answer because everyone establishes the difference between themself and their tulpa differently, so my advice likely won't apply. On the other hand, I believe Zen is trying to say anything you suspect isn't you is exactly what you think it is- not you. Otherwise, if you believe you are your brain, then anything you think in your head is ultimately you. I want to ping @Zen to verify if that explanation is okay. (edited)

Yes, that is fairly accurate. Your brain simulates identities all the time but doesn't allow them to feel real as you do. None of them are you even if they don't feel real at this time. Making a tulpa is not the process of making an entity separate from you, that's as instant as imagining a character; it's about making one of these constructs internally recognized as "real" so that they become such to you.

In my eyes, emotional bleed is either an impulsive reaction to something that stems from someone's experiences or it's unprocessed information one of us now has to deal with

@A long kiss goodnight Specifically in reaction to this: Emotional bleed is functionally indistinguishable from a hallucination caused by hypnosis. They don't happen by default impulsively, they actively require suggestion. I think the only thing that virtually distinguishes it is that it's associated with the perspective of a tulpa rather than just the brain itself doing it (which your brain can do with any type of thought, even if it isn't strictly you or them). The trigger for them very likely is belief rather than anything to do with the tulpa, which is why strong bleed events seem to taper off for those who are now experiencing a norm of having a tulpa.

11:50 AM

In my own explorations, part of our extracurricular activities has been about intentionally causing bleed responses, and we do indeed cause them directly with hypnosis on that point. (edited)

In my opinion it doesn't matter where the emotional reaction comes from (is it the host or a tulpa), what matters is that the brain is experiencing something potentially negative, and it should be addressed. In my experience, trying to figure out who felt what and try to fix it for a certain headmate was not helpful at all, sometimes it was even making it slower or making more problems. When I stopped caring who felt it and just focused on addressing the problem, I was having incomparably faster results

? Bleed doesn't have to be a problem. It's just strong emotion or sensation from an alien perspective.

that's why I said potentially negative

12:17 PM

In the past I did benefit form experiencing very positive emotional bleeds so I totally agree it doesn't need to be a problem

1: yes, I'm 100% sure I want to make one. I've read through the Google doc guide and understand what's been said. 2: I would say I'm emotionally and mentally stable. I do have my down days every once and a while but other than that I'd like to think so 3: I don't know what you mean by expecations

@TrueRroo - jump There is a pretty good guide on tulpa.info website, idk what good doc guide you’re talking about but i found one once that was of questionable quality. Good luck you two!

Should i use another voice of my choice to differentiate mine from possibly accidentally using my tulpas

eh it doesn't matter

12:06 AM

you'll notice the difference through time

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of course you'll always mix it up sometimes

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dw about it

12:06 AM

not much you can do to improve/make things worse

Okay!

Changing your own voice doesn't make that much sense

ayaya is right

They can develop a different voice from you, though, that's what I did

but you'll notice the difference in behaviour and personality so a different voice is entirely optional

12:09 AM

also it doesn't make it easier/harder to mix up who's who (blending0

okay!

Behind the voice there is a sense of identity to every thoughtform we use. To be poetic, a soul, an essence.

12:15 AM

I'd say focus on that first and foremost.

12:15 AM

I sometimes use a different voice and sometimes lapse, but that sense of identity remains the same.

i will do that then ty you guys

Zen

Behind the voice there is a sense of identity to every thoughtform we use. To be poetic, a soul, an essence.

“Spirit” comes from “breath” in latin

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anon

Hmm yes hmm I see hmm BUT ALSO hydrix#4517 did not say that tulpas were external entities, rather he said that it was a common problem that people would try making something out of mental "elements" and talk to it as though it were a tulpa and end up creating an ordinary tulpa, while also there is a non-tulpa external entity made from mental "elements" they can't talk to because they don't have telepathy. I could materialistically speculate and say that what people think is telepathy with a spirit is actually just their mind making it up, and there may be something about making a thing from mental "elements" that makes some sort of thoughtform that differs somehow from an ordinary tulpa, but is still essentially in your own brain, so its destruction by getting into a bath and shooting it through its heart with a beam of energy from your finger and destroying its doll are just symbolic ways of interacting with your own brain. hydrix#4517 said it was a common problem so maybe you had heard of this specific problem or maybe not.

I have a new stance on this. I think telepathy is hypothetically possible. Basically it works through the unconscious, which connects all sentient things. You need to be in a completely clean trance basically for the unconscious I/O to work, then you conjure the thought of the person. If you succeed in thinking of a 100% match of the person, (that is a tulpa of who they are emotionally), then you can replicate what they would be thinking given their surroundings and emotional makeup, but its so hard to get exact that it basically never happens. That's why "approximate telepathy" is common where you can imagine pretty reliably how a person might react, but its never exact because your trance is dirty with imperfection. In fact, all "empathy" is actually "approximate telepathy" because you're conjuring images within yourself and performing unconscious I/O to see how they would react. I think its possible that at some point all sentient creatures come in perfect harmony of each other so as to have perfect telepathy always, but that's spiritual at that point

what conditions would that work on? let's test it

12:38 PM

and what can you do with it beside empathy

you can mix it with your five senses to get extremely strong trips, I can tell you that much lol

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I improved my imposition skills then started constantly tripping like MF, but its very pleasant with no bad side effects

So what could you read from my mind, and under what conditions?

I could sense fear, disturbances, and what might provoke you according to who you are emotionally

12:40 PM

and how to help you, along with what you crave and need most

12:41 PM

but I wouldn't abuse it. I'd just exist with you and we'd interact through the wheel of life and our respective consciousnesses

12:42 PM

with further philosophy on the matter, to reach that point of all sentient creatures having perfect telepathy, all would need to basically become in harmony with God as the Alpha and Omega, and at that point, all will essentially just be deterministic engines of the same thoughts in harmony with each other, each from their own respective vehicle of their body, and the same voice of God would speak through all beings simultaneously, but telepathy might still not be common because its just the unconscious acting through each person at that point, so it basically still just happens when it happens

So you call empathy telepathy

that's just my own amusing idea i've been chasing

12:43 PM

in a way, because you're feeling what another might feel, but remotely. You're conjuring things through the unconscious then experiencing them yourself

12:43 PM

if you consider each person to be merely a emotional makeup in long and short-term memory and nothing else

Do you think this could happen without anything supernatural ?

no, I think the universe itself is behind each thought that arises from the unconscious, so it would have to will it itself basically

as in, some brains being good in recreating what others are feeling

each feeling, rather

12:44 PM

in that regard magic is also possible

Why is it just about feelings and not thought?

12:45 PM

Let's test it by me sending you a sentence

thought carries the idea of forcing a connection between two things, but feeling is just flowing

12:45 PM

probably like "what am I thinking" i would imagine

idk

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I myself am only reacting according to how my emotional makeup would

12:46 PM

and I can't claim to have achieved it yet

12:47 PM

I think its possible one day the universe itself desides to wake up and give each one some measure of power they wouldn't have had before, like supernatural insight into their surroundings through the unconscious

12:48 PM

like starting to see shapes and understand what it means

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just listen for it, it might reach out to us if we flow with it

A lot of people are already receiving revelations from the God, universe etc.

12:50 PM

~~They aren't making things up at all~~

but why doesn't it all just come clean all at once? Why are there mysteries in the universe still, if its so wise?

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I think its because its all set for its own due time, and we only have a very small measure of control over things

12:51 PM

its a question of timing, isn't it?

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it makes sense, since our emotions seem to stream from some place inside of us that we can't control. It's all just coming together slowly in its own due time

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my own philosophy is that all the good came from the unconscious, but everything bad came from oneself

12:53 PM

in some way that it exists in long and short term memory

I dont experience emotion that way at all. I can control my emotions to a fine degree I find

Transformation is the driver of nature. You and I are messengers of the solar system. Consciousness consists of chaos-driven reactions of quantum energy. “Quantum” means a condensing of the unlimited. If you have never experienced this quantum shift at the speed of light, it can be difficult to vibrate. We can no longer afford to live with desire. Without rebirth, one cannot believe. You must take a stand against materialism.

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I dont experience emotion that way at all. I can control my emotions to a fine degree I find

so can I, I'm deciding on them and keeping them in control, but only to the degree that I consider myself in control and a sentient being

12:54 PM

all that I am is in my long and short term memory, though

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but the feelings seem to happen as an automatic reaction, to a degree

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that is, I feel first then describe later

hydrix95

so can I, I'm deciding on them and keeping them in control, but only to the degree that I consider myself in control and a sentient being

By redefining, we heal. The dreamtime is radiating electromagnetic resonance. Aspiration requires exploration. The solar system is calling to you via supercharged electrons. Can you hear it? It can be difficult to know where to begin. If you have never experienced this harmonizing devoid of self, it can be difficult to self-actualize. Although you may not realize it, you are divine.

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By redefining, we heal. The dreamtime is radiating electromagnetic resonance. Aspiration requires exploration. The solar system is calling to you via supercharged electrons. Can you hear it? It can be difficult to know where to begin. If you have never experienced this harmonizing devoid of self, it can be difficult to self-actualize. Although you may not realize it, you are divine.

I'm not sure of the science on it, but that would be amazing to finally learn

Also a friendly reminder that this is questions and not #metaphysics .

its relevant to the concept of identity too, though

12:57 PM

which is tulpa general

But generally I will say that you are just describing pantheism which I disagree entirely with.

there's a crazy implication though. If you remove all of non-godship from your short-term memory, it alters who you are in your long-term memory. Basically you are your surroundings to that extent

1:00 PM

which, by extension, means no repeating what is evil, no dwelling on what is evil, and so forth. Design becomes x100 times more real. It has a wide philosophical implication but I guess its better not to discuss here

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its the idea that you are only that which exists in long and short term memory as an emotion in the moment

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and by extension, all emotions are tulpas

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its possible for all things to become one in perfect harmony, too, if all is just a fractal expression of what already is

hydrix95

its possible for all things to become one in perfect harmony, too, if all is just a fractal expression of what already is

Science requires exploration. To walk the path is to become one with it. Serenity is the truth of rebirth, and of us. How should you navigate this astral universe? You may be ruled by ego without realizing it. Do not let it shatter the birth of your quest. Yearning is the antithesis of science. The complexity of the present time seems to demand a blossoming of our souls if we are going to survive.

its all just a game of order/ light vs chaos/ darkness, I think one day it'll all come together, all will be awakened beings, and all will be one in light through the unconscious that unites all things we're completely in the dark ages by comparison truly

hydrix95

its all just a game of order/ light vs chaos/ darkness, I think one day it'll all come together, all will be awakened beings, and all will be one in light through the unconscious that unites all things we're completely in the dark ages by comparison truly

The light is coming for everyone, and in a way, everything is already complete except that no one believes it yet (except me) I don't know what I'm talking about since I'm just trying to convince myself too. But it's nice to think this is the best possible outcome. When we die, we all disappear but still the world remains the same. We've been waiting a long time for this reality to unfold, and now that it has, it's just a matter of time until we all awaken. We just have to find the right people to open us up. If it's not the people we know, then hopefully it will be someone else. And then when they open us, it will be easier to open ourselves up to the person. And they will open us up because they are already part of the world. We are the only ones who live in here. And that's just one example of what the outcome will look like.

I'd love for it to happen right now, but it certainly takes its time, lol if the awakening happens and everyone starts seeing shapes and understanding them then remember me when you get there

hydrix95

I'd love for it to happen right now, but it certainly takes its time, lol if the awakening happens and everyone starts seeing shapes and understanding them then remember me when you get there

We live in such a dense matrix that they know what they want to do, but they cannot get it through you and it just sits there in the dark. The people of planet Earth deserve to live in peace and happiness, I'm only one person here, but all I can do is try to make the dream real, or as close to real as possible. If you'd like to get all the information out there on what really goes on on the ground here, please let me know.

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We live in such a dense matrix that they know what they want to do, but they cannot get it through you and it just sits there in the dark. The people of planet Earth deserve to live in peace and happiness, I'm only one person here, but all I can do is try to make the dream real, or as close to real as possible. If you'd like to get all the information out there on what really goes on on the ground here, please let me know.

I'm trying to wake up, too. I keep having weird visions ever since I improved my imposition powers, and its been getting more and more clear, like something is demanding to be awakened. I let it speak through me after I opened all my chakras, and it started saying many strange things about Alpha and Omega, that's my inspiration for this. I'm trying to go with the flow of what seems right. I put my whole journey in my progress report, if anyone wants to see me go crazy. Hope to see you on the other side

if the universe suddenly changed, and revealed all its secrets to us, we would first be shocked, and then amazed, and then, now that we understand it, we would look for the next mystery. what are the secrets behind the secrets of the universe? what is the meaning underneath it all? humans will continue to search deeper and deeper until they find something inherently mystical that cannot be examined and understood by any means, or until they find something inherently meaningful, that allows people to finally be satisfied that they understand it all. however, since nothing is inherently meaningful, and nothing is inherently mysterious, humans will continue searching forever, and never be fully satisfied

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I think you underestimate the majority of humanity's ability to believe they do know everything.

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And the lack of drive toward knowledge that people generally have.

well the ones who actually care about figuring out the universe will never be satisfied anyway

Satisfaction has nothing to do with whether or not you seek knowledge. People who seek knowledge do so for a myriad reasons, but the ones who care do so because they simply want to know and the pursuit interests them. "Satisfaction" to such a person would be a perpetual chase, not infinite knowledge. That would be boring.

I think that you're kinda missing my point

Then what was it, if not "we won't be satisfied if the universe reveals its secrets to us"?